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you're reading citizens and welcome to

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I'm Jason McClellan thanks for hanging

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out with me on the previous episode of

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unknown I give an extremely basic

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introduction to the controversial and

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polarizing figure known as billy meier

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today we'll go into some of the evidence

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offered by Meyer to back up his

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incredible claims but first let's get

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alien Conn lands in Los Angeles

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California in June

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alien con los angeles brings together

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experts the stars of ancient aliens and

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science fiction fan favorites if you

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want to spend a weekend with like-minded

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people to challenge existing beliefs and

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seek disclosure of all kinds in an

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environment that fosters learning

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discovery and discussion all while

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having a good time then consider making

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it out to alien con los angeles June

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21st through the 23rd at the Los Angeles

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Convention Center in downtown Los

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Angeles California

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my fellow rogue planet Eire Ryan Sprague

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and I will be speaking at alien Con she

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and her Dan Maureen Elsberry will be

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there too to come out and hang out with

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us use the discount code unknown to

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receive $10 off any ticket purchase head

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over to the alien Con comm to get your

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tickets and to see the schedule that was

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published recently we hope to see you

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let's resume our look at the billy meier

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case from his numerous alleged contacts

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meyer claims to have taken more than

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1,000 UFO photos

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Lieutenant Colonel Wendell Stevens who

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at one point claimed to own the largest

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private UFO photo collection in the

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world stated that Meyers photos were a

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quote the most spectacular photographs

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in quote he had ever seen as I mentioned

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on the previous episode open minds the

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UFO media company I helped start and

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where I researched UFOs for more than

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six years acquired Wendell's archive I

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photo collection to the mire photos

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to date but the authenticity of these

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photos is heavily debated Stephens and

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the early Meier researchers claimed to

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multiple laboratories proving their

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legitimacy in UFO contact from the

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to positively dispute them in quote

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questionable characteristics in the

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photos and even challenged the purported

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testing in his booklet the Meier

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incident the most infamous hoax in

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ufology he points out that the tested

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originals course states that according

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to Stephens the best copies that could

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ever done in quote but according to Jim

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of the places we had been they would as

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contend that it would be impossible for

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a one-armed man to stage UFO photos

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Meier is remarkably capable of

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performing most tasks and he even admits

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to taking pictures of UFO models burn

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story there are divergent accounts of

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this incident while some accounts claim

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that Meyers children created models of

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spaceships he readily admitted trying to

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model them even though they did not come

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models and the result was so bad that he

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yet they fly quote one day in 1975

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pictures of it and then be returned on

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the basis of these snapshots billy

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spacecraft but this plan never came to

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into a waste paper basket and were not

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found until after the entire contents

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had landed in a fireplace

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Calliope Billy's wife discovered the

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more or less burned negatives in the

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ashes and handed them over to one of the

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group's members to be restored if

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possible in quote it is interesting to

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divorced and she's since stated in

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interviews with Luke Burgin and others

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that Maier hoaxed his UFO photos and

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fabricated the tales of extraterrestrial

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encounters however this contradicts her

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previous statements that Myers contacts

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were real and that she herself witnessed

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events with Billy but people who get

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divorced do tend to say nasty things

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about each other so take it for what you

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will select mire photos have received

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far more skepticism than others among

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those are photos that Maier allegedly

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and time with the extraterrestrials some

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Niebuhr but some researchers like the

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independent investigations group contend

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man the illustrated dinosaurs in this

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book do appear to be identical to the

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dinosaurs in the Meier photos another

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highly criticized set of photos purports

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to show Meyers extraterrestrial friends

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ask it and Neera aboard a beam ship

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website by Meyer in May of 1998 the

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extraterrestrial PETA informed Meyer

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that the photographs of asket and Neera

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were actually of their American doubles

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where went on to explain that the men in

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black had intercepted his film found

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pictures of them and substituted these

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most of his early photos yes you heard

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that correctly he says that he was told

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by his extraterrestrial friends that the

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photos he'd been spreading around

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weren't genuine the men in black had

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intercepted his film and secretly

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you know it sure would have been nice

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for his extraterrestrial pals to give

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him at least a heads-up before he went

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around promoting fake photos right I

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that this story is obviously a silly

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excuse an attempt to come up with an

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explanation after photos had been

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demonstrated to be hoaxes right but who

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knows what Meyers lesser-known photos

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shows Meyers standing in the middle of

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what appears to be a ring of fiery light

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this picture appears in moose burgers

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book and yet they fly and is explained

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all ship above mire which does not

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appear in the photo Meyers arm is

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of Quetzal ship multiple researchers

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identical to steel wall being swung

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extraterrestrial contact including metal

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samples and even an extraterrestrial

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weapon Maier gave these metal samples to

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Stephens and Stephens had these samples

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tested by various labs

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the University of Arizona who quote

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produce such things as tin soldiers in

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extraterrestrial woman Elena

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left a ray gun with him but cautioned

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temptation he fired this

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extraterrestrial ray gun at a nearby

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fruit tree burning a hole completely

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doctor would but to Stephens the

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internal wood of this hole did not

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the information we've covered during the

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past two episodes barely scratches the

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surface of the decades-long billy meier

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story wire claims to have much more

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evidence including audio recordings UFO

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films and tomes of transcripts from his

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encounters that are filled with

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extraterrestrial wisdom Meir even

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asserts that because of his claims there

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have been multiple attempts on his life

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as with any UFO case I encourage you to

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dig into the information for yourself

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read the books talk to the people who

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have investigated this case and then

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based on your research form your own

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opinion Myers quote authorized American

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media representative Michael Horn is

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always available to defend the claims

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made by Meir we had horn on open minds

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UFO radio back in 2011 to give him the

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opportunity to defend Meyers claims I'll

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make sure to add the link to that show

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in the episode notes Horne is assembled

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information related to the Meir case on

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his website

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they fly calm so if you're going to take

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an objective look at this case go ahead

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and check out the information there as

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well like I routinely say I believe it's

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important to approach any UFO case with

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responsible skepticism in an unbiased

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journalistic way and with an open mind

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but a word of warning here if you do

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come out deciding that you believe the

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story presented by Billy Meyer be

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prepared to adjust your entire point of

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view regarding UFOs and extraterrestrial

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contact why do I say that because

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according to Billy his contact

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experiences are the only legitimate

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instances of extraterrestrial contact

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all others are false claims or are

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related to military activity

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I'll say that again if you choose to

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believe Maier you are agreeing that

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everyone else who has claimed to have

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any type of extraterrestrial contact is

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full of

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in spite of that there are still

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countless people around the world who

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believe this story and believe the

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teachings of Myers extraterrestrials oh

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and there's this little nugget Meier

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claims to be the reincarnation of Jesus

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but you know it's always been my

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absolute favorite element of this entire

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case it's not the cheesy-looking alien

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Raygun it's not the men and black excuse

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for his photos being fake and it's not

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even his time-traveling photos of

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dinosaurs it's the name of one of the

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types of alien spacecraft he discusses

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the beamship from the very first time I

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read the name of the beam ships I was

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intrigued by that name beamship then

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after a while it hit me could it be that

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Maier has a sense of humor and is

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trolling everyone beamship beam B II a M

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there's something else at the center of

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this entire case with those exact

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initials and that's the man himself

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billy edward albert liar

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from this very very very brief overview

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of a long and complex case it's easy to

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see why the Billy Meyer story is so

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controversial and certainly one of the

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most polarizing cases in the history of

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UFOs

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well citizens as we wrap up this episode

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I invite you to come join us in the Pro

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slash groups slash rogue planet and let

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us know what your thoughts are about the

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billy meier story or really anything

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form your own opinions keep truth as the

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